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« on: June, 05, 2007, 03, 56:35 PM »


Scientists are now doing research about how dogs think and reason things out. They are researching how dogs can decide how to imitate a behavior in specific circumstances.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19018411/from/RSS/

This article made me think a little about what I've learned from my own dogs. A lot of people don't think that dogs can reason and think. At one time I thought most dogs just reacted to how they were trained. When I had four toy poodles all at the same time, the father, the mother, and two daughters, I realized that they are all individuals and all have their own unique personalities.

I've seen them dreaming in their sleep, in order to dream you have to have an imagination, in order to dream you have to have an imagination and be able to think and reason. I've watched them sound asleep making little woof noises and their little legs just going like they were chasing something out of their yard. They must have pretty vivid dreams because I've seen them dreaming they were chasing something and suddenly wake up barking and run out side. Then sheepishly come walking back in with a look on their face like well I guess it was just a dream, I didn't seen anything out there.  Grin

One day Quintin seen a cat out in the yard and started chasing after it. The cat headed toward the road with Quintin right after it. I also seen a car coming down the road. I started yelling at him to come back and he completely ignored me. I thought for sure that he was a goner. The cat made it to the edge of the yard and across the street. Quintin stopped at the edge of the yard and "marked his territory" and walked back to the house like nothing had happened. He had learned from our walks where his boundaries were and made two choices first not to listen to me when I called him back and second to stop at the edge of his yard and not cross the street.

Peanut and Midnight were the two daughter of Quintin and Missy. They were very jealous of each other and both wanted to be the favorite. We had a 20x30 area fenced off in front of the front door and a doggy door so they could go out to do their business. One of the dogs started leaving their business in the house right were I would be sure to find it. I knew they are all going out so I started watching them when they came back in too. I soon discovered Peanut would wait a little while after Midnight had been out. Find Midnight's business and bring it back into the house. I watched her out the window and met her at the door and gave her a good scolding. She had been caught and she knew it and never did it again. I thought why she would do that and realized that she was trying to get Midnight in trouble so that she would be the favorite.

Even though it was a bad thing for Peanut to do, and didn't work because she got caught, I was still amazed at her ability to think up that plan to get Midnight into trouble. It took a lot of thinking and reasoning for her to come up with that plan.

I have never had any experience with blind guide dogs. But just imagine the thinking and reasoning that they have to do. They have a lot of training, but no amount of training could prepare them for all the reasoning that they would come up against in everyday situations.

Dogs are a wonderful gift from our Father to help us in many ways. I'm glad scientists are starting to realize how intelligent animals really are.

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« Reply #1 on: June, 06, 2007, 11, 51:35 AM »

I used to have a dog who, if you 'ignored' her when she wanted attention,
she would grab something off the coffee table or even get something out
of the waste bin and drop it on the floor.

She'd get yelled at, but any attention is better than none at all  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: June, 07, 2007, 05, 08:19 AM »



Hi Karen,

Peanut was not trying to get midnight into trouble. Grin Dogs mark their territory out as do cats with their urine and fecies.
If anything Peanut was giving midnight the territory not getting the other dog in trouble.
I worked for a number of years with dogs, especially greyhounds.  I worked for a trainner and for a track where they race.
The dogs love racing and the excitement of the meet.

Like most, I had my own dogs which I walked for the owners as did the other staff. Being new girl I was usually given all the dogs less likely to win because the others wanted the tips when they won. Dogs are very intelligent and so are cats. They sense the person as do young children. The trainner knew I had arrived before anyone saw me, because the dogs for the trainner I worked for knew when I had arrived without seeing me and would try and pull the staff to the paddock door to get to me. Grin

Dogs know instinctively how we feel about them. Emotions are picked up on and I knew how my dogs felt.
Needless to say in the weeks ahead, my dogs and I bonded and soon I had more winners than any of the girls at the track.
Judy was a lovely little greyhound and she was the downer when it came to dogs at the track. She never won and had been passed on to someone who could hardly afford the trainning fees let alone the meet fees. She was sad because you could see in her eyes no one expected her to win and she did not believe in herself. We soon turned it around even though she was getting old. We would have our little talks and we grew very close. In no time she started getting placed 3rd and upwards till she was winning. The owner and the trainner said to me, "I don't know what you have done but Judy has changed and she is wonderful when she runs and back at the Kennels."
You need to believe in your animals and they need to know that they are special to you no matter what they do. Judy raced for a number of years, winning races and happy. She died from an heart attack at the kennels when old, but she died happy and knowing she was loved and someone believed in her. I think you will find peanut was endearing herself to midnight not causing her trouble.
It is important we treat all our animals equally when together, giving extra attention only when each is alone with us. It validates to them that as a whole they are loved the same but also as individuals they are only given special attention when alone so they love being with others with you, as well as on their own.


I believe with all animals, you will only receive what you are willing to put in. When my aunts cat hurt her hind leg. She had been limping and was in pain. I befriended the cat  and started doing physio on her hind leg with massage. She soon got better and since then,when I visit, makes a b'line for me. I am allowed to stroke her, and she sits on my knee and will often fall asleep. The cats are cunning. for unlike dogs they are loathed to admit they understand what you are saying. They think if they pretend to not understand they can get away with murder. But my aunts cat knows different with me. And when dining she wants some of what I am having.
Dogs understand more than most give them credit for. But be careful because like human beings, you get good and bad. I know it sounds daft, but I can tell from the way a dog pants when running if happy or angry. Sorry it is so long winded.



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« Reply #3 on: June, 09, 2007, 02, 25:31 AM »

Hi Lynne, No Peanut was trying to get Midnight into trouble. We had 4 toy Poodles. We had gotten Quintin, when we had another dog, Fluffy. Fluffy caught pneumonia and died. So then we got Missy for Quintin. Then they had Peanut and Jake.





As you can see in the picture where they were a couple days old, Peanut had a big head and tiny little legs and feet. She couldn't walk the way Jake could. She could only move her legs like a fish trying to swim. I help her head up with my little finger so that she could learn to walk and build up strength in her legs. So we were bonded from her birth. We gave Jake to some friends and kept Peanut.

A year later Missy had two more pups. Midnight and Sharamee. We sold Sharamee and kept Midnight she was daddy's girl like Peanut was mommy's girl. Quintin was more Keith's buddy, Keith would carry him around in his pocket when he was little when we'd go places. Missy was more my girl but was more independent. When we slept. Missy slept on my head and Quintin on Keith's head. Peanut and Missy would fight over sleeping between us or at the bottom of the bed. If Peanut got up to get a drink during the night then Midnight wouldn't let Peanut back in bed and Peanut would end up jumping up beside me on my side of the bed to protect her, even though Peanut was twice the size of Midnight. Midnight was a very jealous dog.

When Keith died, Midnight didn't know what to do cause she was daddy's girl. So she spent most of the time hiding under the table with some of Keith's clothes that she had made a nest out of. She wouldn't associate much with me and the other dogs. Even when I could get her to go out with the rest of us. She would stay about 20 feet behind us.

Quintin decided with Keith gone He was taking over as boss now. And I had to put him out in the screen house a couple days to show him no I was boss now not him... a couple days without his girls he decided to straighten up.. Missy didn't care who was boss she was more like a cat then a dog...... But if she got mad about something she'd do the "mommy bark" and everyone hit the deck. If I stayed up watching TV or on the computer late and she got tired of sleeping on the floor, she'd stand in front of the TV and give a small version of the Mommy bark, and I'd say if your tired go to bed I'm staying up a while longer, and she'd grumble and head off to bed on her own.  Quintin was just happy to have 3 girls to take care of.... and he did. When ever the girls went out to pee, Quintin would go out after them and cover their spots up. Big job for one little guy.  Grin He'd sit in the window and guard everyone. Peanut would sneak out and bring in Midnight's poop and put it right where I'd get up and step in it. Peanut was hoping I would get mad and get rid of Midnight. That is why she never did it again after she got caught being the one who was bringing it in. If you could of seen the look on her face   Shocked after I met her at the door and said drop it. You would know she was trying to get Midnight into trouble. Not give her territory. 

Quintin was the one who marked out the territory for him and his girls. At ever corner of the yard, LOL along with keeping the girls sent covered so no other male dogs would come around. He was a busy little guy. And fierce, he chased out a great big Collie one day, pulled the leash right out of my hand when he took after him and only stopped because the leash had got hung up under the neighbors tractor wheel. Peanut passed away last June and she was my last dog. So this was the first year in 52 years that I have not had one or more dogs.... so I know Peanut was trying to get Midnight into trouble not giving her territory.

What you describe might be right for normal dogs in general, although I've never heard of a dog giving another dog their territory.  I didn't have any kids, my dogs weren't normal dogs they were more like my kids. Poor Peanut was so attached to me I couldn't leave her alone a minute she'd start crying and howling as soon as she realized I wasn't beside her. If I'd just go out side to do something she'd stand at the door and howl and cry the whole time I was gone. When I had to take her to get a tooth pulled, they said they wanted to keep her the next day too and run more tests on her, she was diabetic, then I could pick her up that evening. I told them as soon as she wakes up and realized I'm not there she'd cry and howl and carry on. They didn't believe me and said she'll be fine, the next morning they called me to come and be with her.... LOL..... she had all the other dogs and cats there upset.
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« Reply #4 on: June, 09, 2007, 02, 36:42 AM »

I used to have a dog who, if you 'ignored' her when she wanted attention,
she would grab something off the coffee table or even get something out
of the waste bin and drop it on the floor.

She'd get yelled at, but any attention is better than none at all  Grin

LOL Carer that sounds so much like my dogs. And don't even be on the phone and ignore them or they would try and chew the cord.

I'm glad science is catching up to what we as dog owners already knew about how dogs and think and reason.
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